Amen to that! I was just trying to help a friend out. He had done some of it himself and just wanted to know if he was doing it right or if not, where should he begin. I was just wanting advice for the guy. I did not know that programmers don't like to give you 100% the answer. I've been involved in a lot of forum communities, especially linux communities and people are always willing to solve your problem for you or at least help. No one from this forum or other even tried to help or ask what is I wanted from them.