just introducing myself, I'm currently learning c++ from c++ without fear and c++ for beginners, i have a small amount of OpenGL under my belt with FreeBasic, i have been using FB for several years, but c is the end all be all, in my mind. almost every thing is derived from a c Lib's for any platform. so that being said i want to learn c/c++, maybe stick to it. I've been a self taught programmer since i got my first PC(Tandy SL 1000) using GWB. i didn't keep up with times though, life, work, kids all that fun stuff. Time to look to the digital future again i think, i had fun B4 and time now!