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zamjad

Interesting.

Now take a look at these with the posted date

http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/Re...mr_CPP_01.aspx
http://www.codeguru.com/cpp/cpp/algo...le.php/c15111/

and then decide article of the month.

Have fun.

shabbir

Agreed Zeeshan but Article of the month is already owned by him and he has all the prices. Also We see that topic is same but the content is not totally copied.

Also the same is posted by him on many forums like

http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/articles/2935/
http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/showtopic51296.htm
http://www.daniweb.com/forums/thread122912.html

Which should have been avoided for becoming the winner.

As the topic belongs to you if you would like the notice to be added please do let us know.

zamjad

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabbir
Agreed Zeeshan but Article of the month is already owned by him and he has all the prices. Also We see that topic is same but the content is not totally copied.

If you think it is then anyone can write more than donzens article daily.

Quote:

Also the same is posted by him on many forums like

http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/articles/2935/
http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/showtopic51296.htm
http://www.daniweb.com/forums/thread122912.html

Which should have been avoided for becoming the winner.

This shows the credibility of these sites itself.

Quote:

As the topic belongs to you if you would like the notice to be added please do let us know.

This decision is for your site credibility and for future authors who decided to write for you or avoid your site.

After few mins google i came across one more article

http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/showtopic45816.htm

In addition to the above article, I recommend you to please take a look at this one too

http://www.codeproject.com/KB/atl/at...rthehood_.aspx

Regards

shabbir

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamjad
This shows the credibility of these sites itself.

We are constantly working on the copy paste problems of article rewriting and we have removed many such articles - Duplicate Articles Problem but yes we should have done more research on this to be fair.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamjad
This decision is for your site credibility and for future authors who decided to write for you or avoid your site.

Agreed and we are definitely working on this. Even the Article competition is now made longer as well as couple of votes to avoid such things.

Also regarding your other links suggestion and now we have revoked the Author Level of the writer as well as would make changes in the Article of the month Rules and guidelines as well as adding the copyright notice to the article.

Thanks for your inputs

shabbir

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamjad
This shows the credibility of these sites itself.

Also I wanted to add we are using copyscape service to detect the duplicate whenever any article is approved and what we saw is the Author posted the same article later after the approval on the other forums and so from now on we may need to be doing this very often.

debleena_doll2002

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Originally Posted by zamjad
Interesting.

Now take a look at these with the posted date

http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/Re...mr_CPP_01.aspx
http://www.codeguru.com/cpp/cpp/algo...le.php/c15111/

and then decide article of the month.

Have fun.

I had also seen this same topic in other sites by other author but content is not the same. Copyright rule is that content should not be copied.

What do you think ? There are many articles on the same topic but contents are different...First thing article topic is not a Research Topic Okay.....

If you are talking about this topic "Recursion" there are thousands articles but contents are different...Topic does not matter for articles.

I will take an example UNIX kernal is there...But LINUX group is saying we are totally different than Unix but they also modified some unix code and launch new operating system" Linux"...Same example as solaris is also flavour of Unix.

zamjad

Quote:

Originally Posted by debleena_doll2002
I had also seen this same topic in other sites by other author but content is not the same. Copyright rule is that content should not be copied.

What do you think ? There are many articles on the same topic but contents are different...First thing article topic is not a Research Topic Okay.....

If you are talking about this topic "Recursion" there are thousands articles but contents are different...Topic does not matter for articles.

I will take an example UNIX kernal is there...But LINUX group is saying we are totally different than Unix but they also modified some unix code and launch new operating system" Linux"...Same example as solaris is also flavour of Unix.

Thanks dableena for your post. Now let me clear few things that you might mix up. First of all take a look at all of my post when did I actually claim about copy right?

Any computer person can easily identify that this article is not exactly copied but the main idea, theme, and even all the examples except “Tail recursion” are same. You can’t say it is copied, but it is heavily based on mentioned articles without even mentioning it.

I just wanted to say one thing,

Give credit where it is due

debleena_doll2002

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamjad
Thanks dableena for your post. Now let me clear few things that you might mix up. First of all take a look at all of my post when did I actually claim about copy right?

Any computer person can easily identify that this article is not exactly copied but the main idea, theme, and even all the examples except “Tail recursion” are same. You can’t say it is copied, but it is heavily based on mentioned articles without even mentioning it.

But here we are not goin for PHD. 10000 articles can be on the same topics i have already mentioned.

Quote:

I just wanted to say one thing,

Give credit where it is due

Yes you are right!!! It may be not to win as winner of this month for this article. This total depend on system how r u implementing. But you cannt mention as " originally written zeesan in asadullah.ansari article." This is his wish that he mention or not .He knows better. You have to take permission of author then you can modify his article.
You know just go read BOOK as mention by him
"Teaching recursion using recursively generated geometric design"
by Aaron Gordon

same explanation by this book also. Can you blame to those writers also who mention this book as in his articles.

zamjad

I am sorry debleena, but I still couldn’t understand what you wanted to say, please explain it to me. What my intention was I already mentioned in my previous mail.I am still confuse what do you want to say in this statement

Quote:

This total depend on system how r u implementing

What total are you talking about this? And what is depends on system? Do you want to say that recursion depends on system?

Quote:

But you cannt mention as " originally written zeesan in asadullah.ansari article."

Can you please explain when did I mention this thing? What should be written or not written with this article, I have already left that decision to the moderator. And you may also understand that I am not a moderator to change others post.

Quote:

same explanation by this book also. Can you blame to those writers also who mention this book as in his articles.

For your kind information this is not a book, this is in fact an article published in “Journal of Computing Science in Colleges” in October 2006. Did you actually get a chance to see this article (or so called book) yourself? If you are a member of ACM then you can access it form ACM Digital Library. And for your kind information I have actually read that article. This 7 page articles has nothing to do with recursion type it only deals with “Recursively-Generated Geometric Designs” and discussed "Nested Triangles, Nested Polygons and Fractals" I can’t post the whole article here, but for your reference let me copy its abstract here

Quote:

Teaching about recursion usually involves programs arriving at answers and displaying the results (for example: quicksort, summing elements in a linked list, evaluation of an expression tree). This paper discusses problems that naturally display results at each recursive step. Examples of these programs include those that visually display fractals and other geometric shapes recursively.

You can read this abstract yourself from here

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1181811.1181830

Even more interesting is that this reference is also copied from this article.

http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/Re...mr_CPP_01.aspx

This reference was mentions properly in the above article by explaining what reader should expect in it, not adding the reference just for the sake of something in the reference section. Here is the excerpt from the above article that refers to this.

Quote:

Usually, recursion is a little bit difficult to understand for most students. Researchers usually come up with different strategies to teach recursion easily for students, such as teach recursion before teaching arrays [4], delegations [2], or recursively generated geometric designs [3].

Here number 3 is the reference of “Teaching recursion using recursively generated geometric design, Aaron Gordon”

If you have time then I recommend you to take a look at its second part before someone write an article based on it without even giving the credit where it is due, from here

http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/Re...mr_CPP_02.aspx

Can you please explain a little bit what you want to ask or say to me?

zamjad Go4Expert Member
7Oct2008,22:48	#11
	Interesting. Now take a look at these with the posted date http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/Re...mr_CPP_01.aspx http://www.codeguru.com/cpp/cpp/algo...le.php/c15111/ and then decide article of the month. Have fun.

shabbir Go4Expert Founder
7Oct2008,23:21	#12
	Agreed Zeeshan but Article of the month is already owned by him and he has all the prices. Also We see that topic is same but the content is not totally copied. Also the same is posted by him on many forums like http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/articles/2935/ http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/showtopic51296.htm http://www.daniweb.com/forums/thread122912.html Which should have been avoided for becoming the winner. As the topic belongs to you if you would like the notice to be added please do let us know.

zamjad Go4Expert Member
8Oct2008,01:09	#13
	Quote: Originally Posted by shabbir Agreed Zeeshan but Article of the month is already owned by him and he has all the prices. Also We see that topic is same but the content is not totally copied. If you think it is then anyone can write more than donzens article daily. Quote: Also the same is posted by him on many forums like http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/articles/2935/ http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/showtopic51296.htm http://www.daniweb.com/forums/thread122912.html Which should have been avoided for becoming the winner. This shows the credibility of these sites itself. Quote: As the topic belongs to you if you would like the notice to be added please do let us know. This decision is for your site credibility and for future authors who decided to write for you or avoid your site. After few mins google i came across one more article http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/showtopic45816.htm In addition to the above article, I recommend you to please take a look at this one too http://www.codeproject.com/KB/atl/at...rthehood_.aspx Regards

shabbir Go4Expert Founder
8Oct2008,10:14	#14
	Quote: Originally Posted by zamjad This shows the credibility of these sites itself. We are constantly working on the copy paste problems of article rewriting and we have removed many such articles - Duplicate Articles Problem but yes we should have done more research on this to be fair. Quote: Originally Posted by zamjad This decision is for your site credibility and for future authors who decided to write for you or avoid your site. Agreed and we are definitely working on this. Even the Article competition is now made longer as well as couple of votes to avoid such things. Also regarding your other links suggestion and now we have revoked the Author Level of the writer as well as would make changes in the Article of the month Rules and guidelines as well as adding the copyright notice to the article. Thanks for your inputs

shabbir Go4Expert Founder
8Oct2008,12:49	#15
	Quote: Originally Posted by zamjad This shows the credibility of these sites itself. Also I wanted to add we are using copyscape service to detect the duplicate whenever any article is approved and what we saw is the Author posted the same article later after the approval on the other forums and so from now on we may need to be doing this very often.

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debleena_doll2002 Ambitious contributor
19Dec2008,10:04	#16
	Quote: Originally Posted by zamjad Interesting. Now take a look at these with the posted date http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/Re...mr_CPP_01.aspx http://www.codeguru.com/cpp/cpp/algo...le.php/c15111/ and then decide article of the month. Have fun. I had also seen this same topic in other sites by other author but content is not the same. Copyright rule is that content should not be copied. What do you think ? There are many articles on the same topic but contents are different...First thing article topic is not a Research Topic Okay..... If you are talking about this topic "Recursion" there are thousands articles but contents are different...Topic does not matter for articles. I will take an example UNIX kernal is there...But LINUX group is saying we are totally different than Unix but they also modified some unix code and launch new operating system" Linux"...Same example as solaris is also flavour of Unix.

zamjad Go4Expert Member
20Dec2008,01:05	#17
	Quote: Originally Posted by debleena_doll2002 I had also seen this same topic in other sites by other author but content is not the same. Copyright rule is that content should not be copied. What do you think ? There are many articles on the same topic but contents are different...First thing article topic is not a Research Topic Okay..... If you are talking about this topic "Recursion" there are thousands articles but contents are different...Topic does not matter for articles. I will take an example UNIX kernal is there...But LINUX group is saying we are totally different than Unix but they also modified some unix code and launch new operating system" Linux"...Same example as solaris is also flavour of Unix. Thanks dableena for your post. Now let me clear few things that you might mix up. First of all take a look at all of my post when did I actually claim about copy right? Any computer person can easily identify that this article is not exactly copied but the main idea, theme, and even all the examples except “Tail recursion” are same. You can’t say it is copied, but it is heavily based on mentioned articles without even mentioning it. I just wanted to say one thing, Give credit where it is due

debleena_doll2002 Ambitious contributor
22Dec2008,10:06	#18
	Quote: Originally Posted by zamjad Thanks dableena for your post. Now let me clear few things that you might mix up. First of all take a look at all of my post when did I actually claim about copy right? Any computer person can easily identify that this article is not exactly copied but the main idea, theme, and even all the examples except “Tail recursion” are same. You can’t say it is copied, but it is heavily based on mentioned articles without even mentioning it. But here we are not goin for PHD. 10000 articles can be on the same topics i have already mentioned. Quote: I just wanted to say one thing, Give credit where it is due Yes you are right!!! It may be not to win as winner of this month for this article. This total depend on system how r u implementing. But you cannt mention as " originally written zeesan in asadullah.ansari article." This is his wish that he mention or not .He knows better. You have to take permission of author then you can modify his article. You know just go read BOOK as mention by him "Teaching recursion using recursively generated geometric design" by Aaron Gordon same explanation by this book also. Can you blame to those writers also who mention this book as in his articles.

zamjad Go4Expert Member
23Dec2008,00:58	#19
	I am sorry debleena, but I still couldn’t understand what you wanted to say, please explain it to me. What my intention was I already mentioned in my previous mail.I am still confuse what do you want to say in this statement Quote: This total depend on system how r u implementing What total are you talking about this? And what is depends on system? Do you want to say that recursion depends on system? Quote: But you cannt mention as " originally written zeesan in asadullah.ansari article." Can you please explain when did I mention this thing? What should be written or not written with this article, I have already left that decision to the moderator. And you may also understand that I am not a moderator to change others post. Quote: same explanation by this book also. Can you blame to those writers also who mention this book as in his articles. For your kind information this is not a book, this is in fact an article published in “Journal of Computing Science in Colleges” in October 2006. Did you actually get a chance to see this article (or so called book) yourself? If you are a member of ACM then you can access it form ACM Digital Library. And for your kind information I have actually read that article. This 7 page articles has nothing to do with recursion type it only deals with “Recursively-Generated Geometric Designs” and discussed "Nested Triangles, Nested Polygons and Fractals" I can’t post the whole article here, but for your reference let me copy its abstract here Quote: Teaching about recursion usually involves programs arriving at answers and displaying the results (for example: quicksort, summing elements in a linked list, evaluation of an expression tree). This paper discusses problems that naturally display results at each recursive step. Examples of these programs include those that visually display fractals and other geometric shapes recursively. You can read this abstract yourself from here http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1181811.1181830 Even more interesting is that this reference is also copied from this article. http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/Re...mr_CPP_01.aspx This reference was mentions properly in the above article by explaining what reader should expect in it, not adding the reference just for the sake of something in the reference section. Here is the excerpt from the above article that refers to this. Quote: Usually, recursion is a little bit difficult to understand for most students. Researchers usually come up with different strategies to teach recursion easily for students, such as teach recursion before teaching arrays [4], delegations [2], or recursively generated geometric designs [3]. Here number 3 is the reference of “Teaching recursion using recursively generated geometric design, Aaron Gordon” If you have time then I recommend you to take a look at its second part before someone write an article based on it without even giving the credit where it is due, from here http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/Re...mr_CPP_02.aspx Can you please explain a little bit what you want to ask or say to me?

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